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repush pred bubble

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grulo (24.11.2011 22:18), Příspěvků: 315

***** Hand History for Game 5194280134145 ***** (On Game)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 24, 08:54:48 ET 2011
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Table Table 9 194280146 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: BB ( $58146.00 USD ) [72,7]
Seat 2: UTG ( $10360.00 USD ) [13]
Seat 3: UTG+1 ( $22293.00 USD ) [27,9]
Seat 4: UTG+2 ( $7800.00 USD ) [9,8]
Seat 6: MP ( $6273.00 USD ) [7,8]
Seat 7: HJ ( $11834.00 USD ) [14,8]
Seat 8: CO ( $19895.00 USD ) [24,9]
Seat 9: BTN ( $9610.00 USD ) [12]
Seat 10: SB Hero ( $23462.00 USD ) [29,3]
SB Hero posts ante of [$80.00 USD].
BB posts ante of [$80.00 USD].
UTG posts ante of [$80.00 USD].
UTG+1 posts ante of [$80.00 USD].
UTG+2 posts ante of [$80.00 USD].
MP posts ante of [$80.00 USD].
HJ posts ante of [$80.00 USD].
CO posts ante of [$80.00 USD].
BTN posts ante of [$80.00 USD].
SB Hero posts small blind [$400.00 USD].
BB posts big blind [$800.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SB Hero [ Jc As ]
UTG folds
UTG+1 folds
UTG+2 raises [$7720.00 USD]
MP folds
HJ folds
CO folds
BTN raises [$9530.00 USD]
SB Hero raises [$22982.00 USD]
BB folds

Asi 20lidi pred bublinou.

MP1(Clayshooter1): 91h 41/20
BTN(tekjam1): 23h 9/9


Je to good?

"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
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czlol (24.11.2011 23:29), Příspěvků: 4726

me se to nelibi, jakou davas rangi tomu btnu?

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aagrandmaa (27.11.2011 19:11), Příspěvků: 153

ja bych to dal nejmene s TT, AQs+

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youwelcome (28.11.2011 18:04), Příspěvků: 200

Byl bych jeste konzervativnejsi nez #2 -  dal bych to s JJ+, AK.

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stardust3776 (29.11.2011 4:04), Příspěvků: 325

za me AJ jasnej fold .

button bude mít min JJ nebo AQ.

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LastHero (29.11.2011 4:35), Příspěvků: 11058

4 - wtf? ten BTN tam bude mít JJ+ AQ mozna tak v nitovskym nebi.

Kazdopadne AJo je clear fold, a to z nekolika duvodu. UTG+2 raisuje ackoli má stack na push, to znamena ze pokud nemame jine info, budeme predpokaldat ze to je r/c a tudiz tam bude mit nejakou r/c range, BTN mu tam shipuje cca 99+ AQ/Js+ AQo, a nebo treba jeste víc wide, zalezi co to je za hrace, zalezi co je za hrace orig. raisor a trosku na game flow. 

Takze AJo jasnej fold, ale prirazovat BTN range kterou mu prdnul STardust je nesmysl :)

nice blog, gl
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wayward_player (29.11.2011 16:24), Příspěvků: 7763

Tak teď nevím, jestli jsem to nemissreadnul já, ale když se mrknu na stacky před hrou a na postnutý ante, tak v HH PF vidím push od UTG+2 a re-push od BTN.

Staty za 23h jsou v téhle situaci "nicnevypovídající", zjednodušeně se dá asi  říct, že BTN za posledních dva a půl orbitu dvakrát pushnul. Na UTG+2 můžou být staty zase dost zkreslený, protože během těch 91h  asi neměl pořád stack 9bb. Spíš bych mrknul na staty v závislosti na počtu bb.

Lepší by bylo vědět, jak jsou UTG+2 a BTN aktivní se svýma stackama, jestli pushují z late pozic, jestli náhodou neztratil jeden z nich nedávno třeba půlku stacku, atd. Bez informací o gameflow, bych tuhle situaci řešil ve vakuu, případně se na to mrknul z pohledu BTN.


Ve vakuu (cEV, kdy všichni hrají na vítězství a ignorují bubble) by range mohly vypadat takhle: 

UTG+2: 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A9o+, KJo+, QJo.

BTN: 44+, A8s+, KQs, ATo+.

HERO (SB): 88+, AJs+, AQo+.

 

Z pohledu Hera jako BTN (bez infa, např. 2. handa u stolu):

UTG+2: cca 20 %

HERO (BTN): 66+, A9s+, ATo (bez bottom range 44-55, A8s, A9o).

→ HERO (SB): 77+, AQs+, AKo (bez bottom range AJs [cEV0], KQs, AQo; edit: KQs má lepší +diff. než AQo).


AJo bych tady foldnul, pokud bych měl lepší info o gameflow a myslel si, že BTN bude mít jen o kousek širší re-push range, inklinoval bych ke callu. 

"I am Who I am because of my Breasts." | http://twitter.com/#wayward_player Upraveno 29.11.2011 16:36 by wayward_player
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AcidManner (29.11.2011 17:03), Příspěvků: 3144

za mě je to call

ti 2 před námi neraisují ale pushují

Decided to LEARN poker or DIE trying
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LastHero (29.11.2011 19:27), Příspěvků: 11058

jj, to sem missreadnul ze pushujou. I tak AJo je celkem easy fold. Jakoze bez readu ze tam budou nejak víc wide nez je zdrávo je chyba to callovat.

nice blog, gl
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nulak (29.11.2011 20:19), Příspěvků: 96

Tohle mi přijde jako easy fold.

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grulo (30.11.2011 10:48), Příspěvků: 315

Hola, sem nevedel, ze kdyz neco postnu, tak musim prijit za tyden :D

Dik. Budu tedy postovat vice.

Ad hand:

UTG2 byl docela loose, ale je pravda, ze pocet hands je stale maly. 

55+,A5s+,A8o,KQo

BTN byl docela tight, ale stim, ze taky musi vedet, ze UTG2 je loose a uz nema moc na co cekat sem mu dal

88+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo

Cili za mne to byl prece easy fold a do budoucna bych si calloval asi jen 

99+,AQo+ mozna bych nekdy pridal i 77,88 ale spis ne

Nakonec tedy UTG2: JJ BTN: ATs

"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it." Upraveno 30.11.2011 10:52 by grulo
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